I was wondering who was shocked besides me that one Republican voted in the House of Representatives voted for Health Care Reform? I looked at the numbers and the majority of those 39 Democrats that voted against HC Reform all but 8 had districts in which McCain won in 2008. I looked at those Democrats as being pretty much screwed anyway because if reform fails they will pay the price. I don't see Democrats representing major cities on the GOP list of targets for 2010 it is the few Southern and rural Democrats that are left in the caucus. What Wed. night showed in my opinion is that no matter how far you try to separate yourself from the President at the end of the day as a Dem. you are linked to him. The President is a much better friend than enemy in the Democratic Party because he can fund raise, draw a crowd to your dull events (Creigh Deeds), and is more popular than any elected official in America and probably the world. At the end of the day who wants to be on the wrong side of history? The GOP has been on the wrong side of history for Social Security, Unemployment insurance, the creation of the SEC, Medicare, Medicaid, Brown v. Board of Education, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights act of 1965, the financial crisis of 2008, Climate Change, and today they still don't quite believe in equality for all people. I ask why does the Conservadems want to put their names on that list with them? Rep. Cao decided not to join them to bad his chances of winning next time are slim to none and one less Republican that's going to be available for bi-partisanship HA! All those Democrats could lose and Speaker Pelosi is still Speaker of the House of Representatives.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/most-important-number/the-most-important-number-in-p-62.html#more
Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)
Jerel, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on Cao. He represents a heavily democractic district in NoLa, so this may be his holy grail for re-election.
ReplyDeleteI disliked him intensely after he voted no on the stimulus package (ARRI), but he has redeemed himself in my view. He does face an uphill battle being a Rep. though, so you are prolly right unless there are no alternatives! Shoot, he may even switch parties like Specter...
I attended the TEA party thing-a-ma-gig today.
All I kept shouting was 220-215
220-215
220-215!!!
Needless to say, they were pissed. They even started praying around me...Our Father, who art in Heaven, please save this misguided Ind.("pothead" was their term lol)
Omina Fausta Cano.
How was it and how was the Vitter thing? He must be pissed that his amendment to the Census was voted down (Yes)! The Cao thing you maybe right it was probably political but hey I was trying to give a GOPer some credit. I think the fact that he has a district that is over 60% registered Democrats speaks volumes for that vote. His District isn't even made up of a bunch of conservadems either which speaks volumes about his vote against the stimulus.
ReplyDeleteThat House vote was historic and an important step 1.
Dam, I had this whole long diatribe to post then I erased it accidentally!
ReplyDeleteAAARRRGGGGGHHH
Vitter thing:
1) no Vitter
2) RNC high ranking cmmttee members were present...and Chad lol
3) Republicans are outdated and use outmoded forms of technology.
4)African Americans have increased from 32% to 34% even with the Katrina Diaspora
5) LA and Northdakota or Montana are only two states to lose population, so we are def gonna lose a congressional seat. Vitter wanted to include as many people as possible because Orleans (which lost a huge amount of people) is goin to have to be re-represented by populations from Republican strongholds. Also, LA has to have like 2 minority districts.
6) Political Consultants and Demographers do the same shit we do in class assembling data and making graphs.
Historic is an understatement.
We are the "Greatest Generation" for the new majority of the United States: minorities will come to take control and there will be more proportional representation based on demographics, etc. if this bill passes the senate and conference committee.
My Prediction: 52-48
Gonna be close, but I don't think Lieberman can filibuster it to death!
I was shocked when I first heard the news of the 1 republican voting for the bill, but realizing where he is from makes his vote make more sense to me. I am anxious to see the results of the bill in the senate due to the vote being so close in the House. I am anxious because of the amount of democrats that voted against the bill. We shall see!
ReplyDeleteI like your thinking I think in the end Joe Liberman, Mary Landrieu, Ben Nelson, Evan Byah, and Blanche Lincoln will not hold up debate and vote against the bill but the Democrats will have the votes. I see about 8 defectors from this bill and they could even pay an electoral price next election for them. Why was the fact that African Americans increased in population on the agenda? It was a Republican event and last I checked the percentage of AM voting for the R's were about 5% or less. They don't like the fact that the N.O. will dilute their little conservative districts amazing lol. If the President passes this bill like he should, passes climate change, fix the banking problems(to big to fail), a infastructure bill to build light rail, and last but not least which should be done right before the 2010 elections immigration President Obama's stamp on this country will make FDR's look insignificant and go down as one of the best Presidents ever. It want be easy but it can be done and I believe we will get it done. At the end of the day the GOP has not come up with a solution to fix anything not even city sewage lol!
ReplyDeleteJerel,
ReplyDeleteI take issue with your reasoning when you say,
"At the end of the day who wants to be on the wrong side of history? The GOP has been on the wrong side of history for Social Security, Unemployment insurance, the creation of the SEC, Medicare, Medicaid, Brown v. Board of Education, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights act of 1965, the financial crisis of 2008, Climate Change, and today they still don't quite believe in equality for all people."
This sort of argument is a classic ad hominem, and makes a fallacious appeal to "being on the right side of history. But it's okay, we all know that Republicans are universally backward thinking, ignorant, redneck, racist, homophobic bigots (sarcasm intended).
Let's look at a few of the programs you mentioned are on the "right" side of history.
Medicare - bankrupt
Medicaid - bankrupt
Social Security - bankrupt
Cap & Trade - would bankrupt us
Being on the "right side of history" shouldn't mean we should ignore the obvioius failures of government. Bureaucratic institutions consistently under deliver on services and over charge the taxpayer.
"I ask why does the Conservadems want to put their names on that list with them?"
It's quite clear. They see the writing on the wall. Bill Clinton spoke to many consverative Dems on the Hill today. He warned them that they risked losing big in the 2010 midterm elections if healthcare reform failed, a repeat of 1994 all over again. I believe Bill has it reversed. Really Bill? The healthcare reform intiative's failure in 1993 set up Republicans for big gains in 1994? Would the Republicans have pushed back less hard had the bill passed? Clearly the answer is no. Progressive minds have simply overestimated the willingness of the American public to buy into big government programs. Healthcare reform or not, Democrats are in for a rude awakening if they refuse to see what's clearly in front of their eyes.
Money is a huge issue, Luke, like you said, and the programs cost/benefits have def altered the tone of the debate since their inception.
ReplyDeleteA big problem for Reid may be Pelosi's agenda. I don't think he is as adamant as she is on most issues, and the bill will probably be more in line with the Mary Landrieus, etc Jerel pointed out in an earlier post in order to pass the senate.
lol also, will he need another saturday night to pass it!!!
P.S., Chaylon, it'll be interesting to see how the party reacts. I watched FOX news for the first time the other day, and they actually talked to him on the phone!! Who would've thought that a freshman congressman from NoLa would make such a big splash in the party!
Oh yea, at the Tea Party, they had a guy who wrote Anh Cao = V.C. So his name is def circulating.
I think my reasoning is perfectly find and most of the time liberals have been on the right side of history. I never said that all Conservatives are backward thinking but being a Conservative is in itself kind of backwards thinking (believeing in tradionalism, original intent, etc.). I love the Conservative argument to Medicare in the 1960's they opposed it with a passion Ronald Reagan came on TV and spoke out against it forcefully. He was elected President twice and the guy did not cut Medicare once.............? Today Conservatives say that Democrats want to take away your medicare but they were never and do not support the program right? You say Americans are anti-big government why haven't in the last 40 years the R's were in power 28 of them did not get rid of that socialist plan they call medicare? Medicaid you mentioned typical of Conservative attacks never been in favor of helping poor people. Those two programs you mentioned are going bankrupt I dare any Conservative to get rid of them? NOPE I thought not! Social Security you mentioned Conserv. have been oposed to the new deal since 1933 and that lost them 5 strait Presidential Elections. If we did not have SS we would have an economy similar to China that does not provide it's workers with any retirement security therefore having an adverse affect on the economy because they have to save and not spin. The reason the Chinese are so dependent on America and then you end of having a gov't that feels to keep social order they need about 5% growth atleast a year. The Chinese, Japanese, and Europeans all believe in the idea of Climate Change and they will not wait on America. We use to lead on things I hope we start to again. The idea of just branding all liberal ideas as big government will not work people want solutions. The GOP has come up with what on HC, CLimate change, Finanical reform, and job creation? I know what they have come up with some ideas that have failed for about the last 30 years cut taxes and the free market will take care of itself? 1929 or 2008 ring a bell? I am willing to put any Democrat in the house up against some those right wing extremist running in house races in 2010 because the warning has been sent moderates will be purged NY 23? Bill Clinton and Democrats lost those races because the bill failed in the House plain and simple. You talk about the failures of gov't okay it isn't perfect what about the failure of business? 1929 or 2008?
ReplyDeleteIn the end those failed programs you mentioned as failures of gov't are the back bone of the American Society. If you want to talk about fiscal responsibility: War in Iraq, War in Afghanistan, trillions of dollars in tax cuts, prescription drug giveaway, relaxed regulation on all fin. instruments, and seperating the wars from the budget is fiscally responsible? I don't think any Conervatives have standing that issue anymore.
lol, Jerel, GET 'EM!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhen you read history like this, sure it's hard to disagree, unless you're part of the opposition. The opposition, I might add, is a very real presence both in '29 and '08.
Majorities, Majorities, Majorities.
That's the name of the game.
If the opposition wants to change the name, then they're gonna have to be fight IN the game.
Vitter. Cassidy. Et Cetera.
They do speak for the majority in LA,
but the Nation as A Whole...I don't think so...
Rational Choice Theory
Zero-Sum Game
Bla
Bla
Bla
Political Participation is a REAL, Living, Breathing Part of our Lives.
There is no end, merely an openness.
but we must consider both the past and the future