With all the hullaballoo surrounding that outburst of "YOU LIE!!!!" during the speech, I think we need to focus on what the President said and not Joe Wilson R-S.C. I mean, Barack spent like 48 minutes addressing the health care debate and the so-called "myths" inflaming the left & right wingers. Will any actual reform make its way to the President's desk? If so, can there be any bipartisanship besides tort reform? Tort reform and lawsuits and such seemed to be the only area of concensus, when both sides of the aisle rose and applauded heartily.
I like all the drama. Reminds me of the open-ballot days of the 1800's. Nothing gets me more excited (well almost) than when the President gets heckled as if this is some bad standup or laughter for that matter. Most of all, did anyone notice that whenever the Democrats applauded, stood up, yelled, etc. all those sitting down were Caucasian men sprinkled with a couple women???
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I think the President will definitely get a bill this year. I think the bill will be passed by democrats and maybe Susan Collins. I don't think there is room for bi-partisanship in this toxic political environment. All the moderate Republicans have basically been replaced by very moderate and some conservative democrats. Who is there on the other for the President to work with? All those other ultra Conservative Republicans fear a primary challenge if they side with the President who is allegedly ultra liberal. I think we will get a bill that breaks down barriers to coverage for sick people. I am unsure if we get a bill that will bring down cost in the long term. I believe if we get a bill that makes sure everyone has affordable healthcare coverage, I believe we would have achieved real reform. I am not very surprised the GOP has been reduced to caucasian men, since the civil rights laws the GOP has been headed this way.
ReplyDeleteYea, speaking of conservative democrats, Charles "Charlie Boy" Me-LAW-con faces quite an uphill incumbent challenge with David "D.C. Madam" Vitter. He seems to be getting his name out there being on that committee which discusses healthcare--forgot what it's called--and forming that blue dog alliance thing-a-ma-gig.
ReplyDeleteYea, long-term cost is the issue. I think the public option would def pass, if the ballpark area is somewhere around 500 billion over the next ten years. I think there's real problems also with Medicare and -Caid cuts, seeing as that seems to be another major issue with conservative constituents, i.e. townhall meetings(speaking of townhall madness, I wish I could-Ve made an appearance. I would've gladly played the young martyr being yelled at for my pro-reform speech. Man, this stuff, you could'nt get this stuff anywhere else! well, mayb like Taiwan or Korea where they get violent or something). Forgot what i was talking about...
Ummm, yea, healthcare for the needy is a right implicitly stated in the Decl of Indep with the whole "Life" idea, and plus would'nt it be amazing in 50 years to have a "Healthy as a Horse" population of around 425 million people!
I think Charlie Melancon gets beat for a couple reasons the party isn't too high on conservative democrats at the moment, financing a senate race without support from the left is going to be tough, and Louisiana is really trending Republican RED. I think your right and that is the question every politican must ask themselves is healthcare a right or a responsibility? I think if your a democrat and you answer that healthcare isn't a right then your not really a democrat in my opinion. Man I wish i could have went to a town hall meeting too. I was just reading about blue dog democrats and Rep. Jim Marshall from Georgia who thinks his constituents represent the center of america they value God, family, guns, and work. I don't frankly think the majority of americans are that conservative anymore. I think that is kind of the problem with this whole healthcare debate liberals continue to allow conservatives to define the center? I am unsure of you can insure all the uninsured for only 500 Billion (WoW only 500 billion). I believe without a public option and just a mandate to buy insurance the insurance companies win and we lose.
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ReplyDeleteI have to agree with you Jerel, I would love to see a study on what exactly has been the trend for shifting political ideologies in the States as of the last few decades. My guess would be the same as yours, that Americans are growing distant from the older definitively conservative "center". God, family, guns and work have become employment, family, security, and taxes. This public option will pass in time, the Democrats would just rather not shove it down the throats of the Republicans...aka the Serena Williams approach.
ReplyDeleteNice Serena quote, Hagen, I hope the Democrats follow a more moderate approach..ala, President Obama's bipartisan spiel...but I've gotta feeling (sans the Black Eyed Peas) they will shove it down our throats with Pelosi, Dodd, Reid, et al.
ReplyDeleteYea, speaking of rural communities, I'm pretty sure there are more people living in urban areas now than anywhere else, so there is definitely an interesting dynamic going on there. Whether God n Guns will geaux by the wayside, who can be sure?
Come on, Jerel! Give Charlie Boy a chance! haha, I don't think he's goin to win either, but it's early and maybe we can scare up a few Republicans to vote for'em. It's funny how you say he's too conservative for the Democratic Party, I think all the Blue Dogs have to by necessity or get voted out come next election in their districts.
I think it all comes down to the possibility that this bill does pass and the rumors and scare tactics are disproved, Americans may start to look and retrospect and wonder how we ever lived without reform... If this happens I would hate to be a member of the Republican party. I think the politicians should start considering this or else the Republicans will be having some 'splainin to dooo
ReplyDeleteI am going to try to be more up beat about Charlie Meleancon..........can't do it. I think he would have a better chance of winning if the democratic party was more concerned with electing a majority of democrates and not concerned with electing a governing majority. I think also LA is moving in a rather conservative direction, as compared to the Northeast or Pacific coast that is mvoing in a rather liberal direction. All you have left in the Northeast is Collins and Snowe. I think if Kennedy was a better candidate and not a crossover republican Mary Landrieu would have lost in '08. Jonathan I disagree that votes on specific legislation get candidates beat. I think if that is the fear of those candidates it only a matter of time before the district replaces them with a real republican. I think the winds of change beat candidates in particular areas of the country. In the northeast all those very moderate republican senators got beat. I don't think it was a particular vote that beat those guys, I think it was democratic intensity and the fact that the party of Lincoln in the northeast no longer exist. I think Republican strength and intensity in a particular area will beat a democratic instead of you voted for healthcare. I also believe democrates will lose some seats in the mid-terms no matter what happens with healthcare. I think if they blow healthcare they lose more seats than if they pass a bill that looks like healthcare reform(easy to explain like if you work for a lving you can take your kid and yourself to the doctor).
ReplyDeleteYea, def losin some seats if healthcare falls through in the in the bottom of the ninth (i.e. Now). On the other hand, I see where Chad's goin with shifting ideological values as well as votes on account of Healthcare gone right, but I don't see this happening until 2012 (when this might be THE crucial issue...i guess it's too early to call). Plus, what happens if the winds of change are absorbed by the Deep South Republican Hurricane brewing in Louisiana...idk, gtting off track here a bit...lol
ReplyDeleteIt's an interesting point to ponder, Jerel, concerning how the voters will elect the next senator of LA. Kudos to Senator Vitter for handling the D.C. Madam (who by the way, committed suicide right after she came forward. Did anybody else find that suspicious?) controversy so well. Melancon would have to put on the smear campaign of the decade, and fight in the trenches and mud to get Vitter to play along. Vitter's too smart to focuses strictly on a few issues. He knows he has the votes. Charlie boy does'nt...YET!!!!!!!